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Sib. 7.0: How to Integrate the Vienna Symphonic.. - ADWasinger, 19 Jul 12:41AM |
Re: Sib. 7.0: How to Integrate the Vienna Symph.. - frazanna, 19 Jul 07:57AM |
Re: Sib. 7.0: How to Integrate the Vienna Symph.. - Derek Bourgeois, 19 Jul 08:07AM |
Re: Sib. 7.0: How to Integrate the Vienna Symph.. - Peter Roos, 19 Jul 03:19PM |
Re: Sib. 7.0: How to Integrate the Vienna Symph.. - Derek Bourgeois, 19 Jul 06:17PM |
Re: Sib. 7.0: How to Integrate the Vienna Symph.. - Jonathan Loving, 19 Jul 07:46PM |
Re: Sib. 7.0: How to Integrate the Vienna Symph.. - James, 19 Jul 09:58PM |
Re: Sib. 7.0: How to Integrate the Vienna Symph.. - frazanna, 20 Jul 06:40AM |
Re: Sib. 7.0: How to Integrate the Vienna Symph.. - Derek Bourgeois, 20 Jul 07:55AM |
Re: Sib. 7.0: How to Integrate the Vienna Symph.. - frazanna, 20 Jul 08:17AM |
Re: Sib. 7.0: How to Integrate the Vienna Symph.. - Peter Roos, 20 Jul 04:17PM |
Re: Sib. 7.0: How to Integrate the Vienna Symph.. - Jonathan Loving, 20 Jul 06:49PM |
Re: Sib. 7.0: How to Integrate the Vienna Symph.. - frazanna, 22 Jul 05:20PM |
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Sib. 7.0: How to Integrate the Vienna Symphonic Library With Sib. 7. Posted by ADWasinger - 19 Jul 12:41AM | Hello Avid community. This fall I am going to be a freshman at Syracuse university and I am going to be doing music up there. I have had Sibelius 7 for a while on my laptop and I love it. I have extensive composing experience (contrary to the usual belief for kids my age) and am familiar with how to use Sibelius effectively. This being said, I in no way know everything about it, and I am looking to purchase the Vienna Symphonic Library (most likely Special Edition)to further the quality of my compositions. With such a hefty purchase, naturally I have a couple of questions. 1. Would it be good for me to store the library on an external hard-drive or my stock hard-drive (1.5 tb) 2. Once I install it onto my computer how will I be able to integrate it with Sibelius so I can use it? I ask this now so once I purchase it I will not go through the frustrations of attempting to make it work properly. Advice will be much appreciated! Thank You Very Much! ADWasinger | Back to top Allthreads |
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Re: Sib. 7.0: How to Integrate the Vienna Symphonic Library With Sib. 7. Posted by frazanna - 19 Jul 07:57AM | Dear ADWasinger, I don't use VSL, but here is my advice, if it can be useful. I use East West Quantum Leadp Symphonic Orchestra (included in the East West Complete Composers Collection). It is very beig, so the only chance to use it is to install it on a separate hard drive (in fact, it already comes as a separate 1 TB hard drive). For the Sibelius Souunds it's the same: I installed it on a separate hard drive, since it takes about 25 or 35 GB. The same should apply to Vienna Symphonic Library (VSL). At installation of VSL, choose the unit where your external hard drive is connected. This unit and the installation directory of the sound library must remain always the same. There are methods on Windows to force the external hard drive unit letter to remain the same. Some hints to take the maximum out of a big sound library: - you MUST have a 64 bit operating system (e.g. Win 7 64 bit); if not, you can not load many instruments at a time, you'll be limited to about 1.5 GB. - To use all the articulations in the library, you must have a sound set. I don't know if Sibelius comes with a sound set for VSL. Please do a web search with keywords 'sibelius vienna symphonic library', it should take you to the VSL website, where you can find more information about (e.g. 'Optimizing Sibelius Playback with Vienna Ensemble v2.1', or Vienna Symphonic Library House Style (Sibelius 6 or higher)) - This is obvious, but if you install VSL on a separate hard drive, every time you use sibelius with a VSL playback configuration, you must have the hard drive connected. - Since the sounds take time to load, from the hard drive to the RAM, you should choose a fast exteranl interface (USB 3.0 of E-SATA). A USB 2 interface or hard drive could be frustrating, because every time you open your score, all the sound must be re-loaded. - You will also need much RAM (typically 4, 6 or 8 GB, or even 16 GB depending on the number of instruments loaded) - A fast hard drive will help. I use the one supplied by East West, but a solid state drive (SSD) would be much faster, since the bottleneck when loading sounds is typically the access time of the hard drive to reach all the files to load. - In East West, to spare RAM, there is the stream from hard drive, so only the first part of the sound samples are loaded in RAM, the rest of the samples are loaded 'on demand'. Try to download the manuals for VSL of to ask on VSL website to know if there is some similar feature (this depends on the VST implementation, not on the sample itself, EW Play system has it). - When buying Sibelius 7, you will almost instantly download and install the upgrade to Sibelius 7.1.2 I hope this helps. | Back to top Allthreads |
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Re: Sib. 7.0: How to Integrate the Vienna Symphonic Library With Sib. 7. Posted by Derek Bourgeois - 19 Jul 08:07AM (edited 19 Jul 08:16AM) | I use VSL. I have both the Special Edition as well as the full percussion library and the extra large tam-tam (I love that!). I store it on a fast external drive. If you use the VSL provided soundset, and are prepared to set up your own manual sound configuration in Play/Playback Devices then it's easy enough to use. I also have EW Platinum instruments and the two work hand in hand perfectly well. I attach a screenshot of one of my VSL manual sound sets. You can have as many as you like with up to 16 channels in each, and they are easy enough to create. Derek P.S. All the channels which say Drums or Percussion are actually set up to obscure instruments which the provided VSL soundset doesn't specifically specify (Lion's Roar, Bullroarer, Flexatone etc.) Using the mixer it's easy enough to tell Sibelius which channel you want that is set up to that instrument. With the Special Edition you'll have no such problems as all the instruments are defined in the soundset. -- Windows 7 Ultimate 64 bit - Intel Xeon@3.47 Ghz - 24GB RAM - NVidia Quadro 5000 with 6143 graphics memory - 3 TB hard disks (of which 2 TB SSD) Vienna Symphonic Library Special Edition plus full percussion library. East West QL Symphonic Orchestra and Choirs. Sibelius 7 Sounds. M-Box. | Attachment VSL manual soundset.PNG.png (63K) | Back to top Allthreads |
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Re: Sib. 7.0: How to Integrate the Vienna Symphonic Library With Sib. 7. Posted by Peter Roos - 19 Jul 03:19PM | Always use a separate drive, or in fact several, to store your sample libraries or performance will seriously suffer. If you have the budget you might consider SSDs, they are very fast both for loading and streaming. You might consider building or buying a dedicated DAW computer, depending on how large your scores are and how many VSTs you use. From experience I can tell you that the Eastwest VSTs eat computers for breakfast. For easy integration use soundsets; VST has several of those, and for Eastwest, Jon Loving has written a complete series. They will save you a huge amount of time. -- Peter Roos www.summeroflovemusic.com IMDb: www.imdb.com/name/nm2039241 | Back to top Allthreads |
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Re: Sib. 7.0: How to Integrate the Vienna Symphonic Library With Sib. 7. Posted by Derek Bourgeois - 19 Jul 06:17PM | > For easy integration use soundsets; VST has several of those, and for Eastwest, Jon Loving has written a complete series. They will save you a huge amount of time. > But these soundsets are not backwards compatible with each other, so if you upgrade, none of your old scores will play correctly if they used a previous version of the soundset. I have over 60 hours of orchestral music set to play back using the previous version of the soundset, and when I upgraded absolutely everything sounded like a flute. I quickly dumped the upgrade and reverted as I'm perfectly happy with the older version and don't have the time to re-jig all those scores. Derek -- Windows 7 Ultimate 64 bit - Intel Xeon@3.47 Ghz - 24GB RAM - NVidia Quadro 5000 with 6143 graphics memory - 3 TB hard disks (of which 2 TB SSD) Vienna Symphonic Library Special Edition plus full percussion library. East West QL Symphonic Orchestra and Choirs. Sibelius 7 Sounds. M-Box. | Back to top Allthreads |
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Re: Sib. 7.0: How to Integrate the Vienna Symphonic Library With Sib. 7. Posted by Jonathan Loving - 19 Jul 07:46PM | >But these soundsets are not backwards compatible with each other, so if you upgrade, none of your old scores will play correctly if they used a previous version of the soundset. To put that in context, while valid for the last major update, that round was the exception rather than the rule. There have never been updates on that same scale before, and because of those updates, there's no need for such significant changes again in the future. Was it a PITA? Absolutely, no argument there! But the long-term benefits to users outweighed the short-term frustration, otherwise the changes wouldn't have been made. | Back to top Allthreads |
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Re: Sib. 7.0: How to Integrate the Vienna Symphonic Library With Sib. 7. Posted by James - 19 Jul 09:58PM | And by the way, ADWasinger, Don't call us 'Avid community.' Many of us aren't particularly avid about Avid right now. We love Sib and the team that created it. Not so much the overlords. -- Mac OS 10.6.8 Sibelius 6.2 | Back to top Allthreads |
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Re: Sib. 7.0: How to Integrate the Vienna Symphonic Library With Sib. 7. Posted by frazanna - 20 Jul 06:40AM | I use Mr. Loving's soundsets for East West Complete Composers Collection. I can confirm that they are very well programmed and, with them, I can access all the articulations of the library. If you use a sound library for the first time, you will have no problem with old soundsets compatibility (simply, I will not have any old soundset). I think that a good soundset helps sparing much time and it offers also a good starting point for learning Sibelius and sound libraries. | Back to top Allthreads |
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Re: Sib. 7.0: How to Integrate the Vienna Symphonic Library With Sib. 7. Posted by Derek Bourgeois - 20 Jul 07:55AM | > I use Mr. Loving's soundsets for East West Complete Composers Collection. > I can confirm that they are very well programmed and, with them, I can access all the articulations of the library. > > If you use a sound library for the first time, you will have no problem with old soundsets compatibility (simply, I will not have any old soundset). > > I think that a good soundset helps sparing much time and it offers also a good starting point for learning Sibelius and sound libraries. I quite agree, but unfortunately I can't switch from one soundset for the old files to the updated one for new files because both soundsets have the same name. I don't just use EW sounds, but also a lot of VSL sounds in order to get extra percussion, and high flute and violin notes which EW doesn't have. It would take me days simply to re-create a blank page of manuscript that works using the new soundset as I would have to reprogramme all my percussion staves (each one takes ages), re-create all my manual sound sets and re-create all my preferred sounds. It's such a pity that there was no way to upgrade without the total destruction of over 60 hours of orchestral music already processed. There's no backwards compatibility or means of easily converting. It's a great shame. Derek -- Windows 7 Ultimate 64 bit - Intel Xeon@3.47 Ghz - 24GB RAM - NVidia Quadro 5000 with 6143 graphics memory - 3 TB hard disks (of which 2 TB SSD) Vienna Symphonic Library Special Edition plus full percussion library. East West QL Symphonic Orchestra and Choirs. Sibelius 7 Sounds. M-Box. | Back to top Allthreads |
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Re: Sib. 7.0: How to Integrate the Vienna Symphonic Library With Sib. 7. Posted by frazanna - 20 Jul 08:17AM | 60 hours! WOW. I think a solutions exists, although I haven't tried it. Download Adobe AIR and Sibelius Sound Set Editor. I think it has the option of changing the name of the soundset. So, if you let the old soundset unchanged, you can rename the new soundset and use this with all your new music: you can save old and new music! Perhaps Mr. Loving can help you with some more information. | Back to top Allthreads |
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Re: Sib. 7.0: How to Integrate the Vienna Symphonic Library With Sib. 7. Posted by Peter Roos - 20 Jul 04:17PM | > > I quite agree, but unfortunately I can't switch from one soundset for the old files to the updated one for new files because both soundsets have the same name. I don't just use EW sounds, but also a lot of VSL sounds in order to get extra percussion, and high flute and violin notes which EW doesn't have. It would take me days simply to re-create a blank page of manuscript that works using the new soundset as I would have to reprogramme all my percussion staves (each one takes ages), re-create all my manual sound sets and re-create all my preferred sounds. > > It's such a pity that there was no way to upgrade without the total destruction of over 60 hours of orchestral music already processed. There's no backwards compatibility or means of easily converting. It's a great shame. > > Derek > -- I noticed the same thing - was a little baffled at first, but Jon sent me detailed instructions on how to upgrade / convert everything which I slowly digesting now. Going forward I think it is for the best; I can now combine Symphonic Orchestra with Hollywood Strings, and EW have just announced Hollywood Woodwinds, you have to have a system that can intelligently handle it all without getting all confused. I'm quickly confused, I don't want my computer to be confused. ;-) At the same time I am wondering if, by just renaming the soundset, you can use both the old soundset (for existing scores) and the new soundsets for new scores. That is one of the experts. -- Peter Roos www.summeroflovemusic.com IMDb: www.imdb.com/name/nm2039241 | Back to top Allthreads |
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Re: Sib. 7.0: How to Integrate the Vienna Symphonic Library With Sib. 7. Posted by Jonathan Loving - 20 Jul 06:49PM | Derek, nothing changes to your VSL setup because of this. You need only update your playback configuration assignments (which regardless of size, shouldn't take more than 1-2 minutes), and switch the relevant staffs in the score. That's it, there's no 'starting over' as you suggest. Maybe you don't see it, but I assure you that's the case. We didn't make the changes without a clear way to move everything up, and thousands have made the switch with no todo at all. Inconvenient? Yes. Apocalyptic? No. that's all from me on the matter, it's not really relevant to the OP. Derek, you're welcome to email me above and I'll work with you to get everything moved over; if I remember the details of your setup correctly you stand to benefit a great deal from the update. | Back to top Allthreads |
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Re: Sib. 7.0: How to Integrate the Vienna Symphonic Library With Sib. 7. Posted by frazanna - 22 Jul 05:20PM | As we are going off-topic, the answers to the original question may be summarised as follows: 1) Yes, storing on an external hard disk the sound libraries is good practice. 2) Sibelius integration with Vienna Symphonic Library is easy through soundsets, as described in the previous posts. For the ones (still) interested in using old soundsets along with new soundsets with the same name, see my new post: Sib. 7.1: HOW-TO Rename old Sibelius soundsets to maintain compatibility with new soundsets. Please be warned that the post WILL NOT be officially supported by the soundsets creators. So use it at your own risk. | Back to top Allthreads |
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Sib. 7.0: How to Integrate the Vienna Symphonic.. - ADWasinger, 19 Jul 12:41AM |
Re: Sib. 7.0: How to Integrate the Vienna Symph.. - frazanna, 19 Jul 07:57AM |
Re: Sib. 7.0: How to Integrate the Vienna Symph.. - Derek Bourgeois, 19 Jul 08:07AM |
Re: Sib. 7.0: How to Integrate the Vienna Symph.. - Peter Roos, 19 Jul 03:19PM |
Re: Sib. 7.0: How to Integrate the Vienna Symph.. - Derek Bourgeois, 19 Jul 06:17PM |
Re: Sib. 7.0: How to Integrate the Vienna Symph.. - Jonathan Loving, 19 Jul 07:46PM |
Re: Sib. 7.0: How to Integrate the Vienna Symph.. - James, 19 Jul 09:58PM |
Re: Sib. 7.0: How to Integrate the Vienna Symph.. - frazanna, 20 Jul 06:40AM |
Re: Sib. 7.0: How to Integrate the Vienna Symph.. - Derek Bourgeois, 20 Jul 07:55AM |
Re: Sib. 7.0: How to Integrate the Vienna Symph.. - frazanna, 20 Jul 08:17AM |
Re: Sib. 7.0: How to Integrate the Vienna Symph.. - Peter Roos, 20 Jul 04:17PM |
Re: Sib. 7.0: How to Integrate the Vienna Symph.. - Jonathan Loving, 20 Jul 06:49PM |
Re: Sib. 7.0: How to Integrate the Vienna Symph.. - frazanna, 22 Jul 05:20PM |